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although he did relax a little bit when i told him about my experience in the civil rights movement, but it brought to mind for him maya angelou, do you know her? talked about how he had -- they had read her work in prison. but then, as i watched him over the years as he spent more and more time in the outside world, he became a little more relaxed and talked more and more about what it was like in prison. and talk more and more about his own vision. he was always a very humble man. he never really -- although he was the leader, he never took credit. for example, when i asked him at a day back in his yard a few days after prison, when everybody thought he was going to be president, do you foresee a time when you will become president of this country? he said, well, you know, that's up to my -- i'm a loyal member of the african national congress and whatever they decide. behind the scene i understand he could rule with a kind of iron hand when necessary. but the face -- his face to the public was always of a genial giant. >> way he comported himself and humility is very genuine descri
although he did relax a little bit when i told him about my experience in the civil rights movement, but it brought to mind for him maya angelou, do you know her? talked about how he had -- they had read her work in prison. but then, as i watched him over the years as he spent more and more time in the outside world, he became a little more relaxed and talked more and more about what it was like in prison. and talk more and more about his own vision. he was always a very humble man. he never...
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he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his legacy goes on. >> reporter: people here continuing to leave notes. one of them read, thank you for creating a pathway to freedom for all of us, a message that is being heard here and in other countries as well. michaela? >> very moving indeed. erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. >> the tributes are pouring in from all over the world this morning. president obama had some very, very poignant words to honor the late president of south africa. he actually invoked words that were used at president lincoln's funeral. >> he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. through his fierce dignity and bending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, madiba transformed south africa and moved all of us. his journey from a prisoner to a president embodied the presence that human beings and countries can change for the better. his commitment to transfer pour and reconcile for those who jailed him set an example that all humanity took inspire to whether the lives of nations or ou
he stood for the civil rights, not just people in south africa but people around the world and his legacy goes on. >> reporter: people here continuing to leave notes. one of them read, thank you for creating a pathway to freedom for all of us, a message that is being heard here and in other countries as well. michaela? >> very moving indeed. erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. >> the tributes are pouring in from all over the world this morning. president obama had some very,...
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people in the civil rights movement looked towards south africa and felt the pride in seeing a black president in place. america's first black president paid tribute to the fierce dignity, as he called it, of nelson mandela. he took a great lesson from that. nelson mandela no longer belongs to us but to the ages. he said that is not the lessons of all addicts but of people in their own personal lives. decisions should be guided, not by hate but by love. a quote from echo martin luther king. he said, he took history in his hands and bent the moral half of the universe. >> we have been reporting the death of former president mandela in south africa at the age of 95. increasingly frail in recent months. lots of concern about his health over the past two or three years. presidentnnounced by zuma about 45 minutes ago. looking atnt, we are the death of nelson mandela on bbc news. south africa's ruling african national congress has said that the world lost a colossus and the epitome of quality, justice, and peace. nelson mandela immersed himself in a campaign for justice and an end to pover
people in the civil rights movement looked towards south africa and felt the pride in seeing a black president in place. america's first black president paid tribute to the fierce dignity, as he called it, of nelson mandela. he took a great lesson from that. nelson mandela no longer belongs to us but to the ages. he said that is not the lessons of all addicts but of people in their own personal lives. decisions should be guided, not by hate but by love. a quote from echo martin luther king. he...
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corker is a key player in the civil rights movement. jenna was an inspiration to end users importantly this morning to get a tree. as for the basic colors. nichole. which even the least arguable that you can overcome any obstacles that anyone rushing off to bible cause of the checks dentist told us all montana's is it. and the cement that was coming he really. he was lying. i just felt really very proud to be havin guy to be an african american to be decades before the anti apartheid. i checked his pulse to toe with steve johnson says he will continue to preach about this is done for monday. these rates move continued to my earn more and more and more about twelve we used to symbolize to try it on monday as nineteen ninety four visits. he came back to holland began to show solidarity. can americans once again produced. i would stick to it now and how people are reacting on the internet to mandela isn't that an event run by shannon bennett ran on china but every scene. well i feel are taking to twitter especially this painting daily list
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on march 21, 1960, in sharpeville, the peaceful civil rights movement was pierced with bullets. ( gunfire ) walter cronkite reported. >> police mounted on tanks opened fire. 69 natives were killed, 176 wounded. most of the victims were shot in the back. >> teichner: it was against this blood-red backdrop that nelson mandela took up arms. >> it is useless and futile for us to continue talking peace and non-violence against a government whose reply is only savage attacks. >> teichner: when the a.n.c. became a more radical movement, nelson mandela became a fugitive, and, in 1962, would be arrested in the johannesburg suburb of rivonia. he was charged with attempting to violently overthrow the government. what unfolded was a crucible known as "the rivonia trial." the climax of the rivonia trial was nelson mandela's speech from the dock. >> it's one of the great political statements, i think, in human history. >> teichner: mandela was sentenced to life in prison. he was sent here to robben island, the alcatraz of south africa. >> this is where we broke stones using four-pound hammers, seated o
on march 21, 1960, in sharpeville, the peaceful civil rights movement was pierced with bullets. ( gunfire ) walter cronkite reported. >> police mounted on tanks opened fire. 69 natives were killed, 176 wounded. most of the victims were shot in the back. >> teichner: it was against this blood-red backdrop that nelson mandela took up arms. >> it is useless and futile for us to continue talking peace and non-violence against a government whose reply is only savage attacks....
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there was a direct connect between the civil rights movements of this country and the civil rights movement in south africa. you could not get around the organic interconnection between the two. today you have seen an outpouring of every city in the country. the wrooeths the tributes, the candle lights. he was not someone that was thousands of miles away. he was sane and is sane and will always be sane as really in the spirit of civil rights movement in this country, an infinite part of that. >> on a more personal note i remember talking about the goals of civil equalitiry, "i have a dream" speech of martin luther king's speech. they say are problems, discrimination exists, south africa has race issues. how do we see this going forward. >> let's compare dr king and nelson mandela. after the height of the civil rights movement in the 1960s, dr king had two or three other goals. adjust foreign policy, antiwar, peace movement in the war and political oppression. not only in this country but globally. also dr king had another goal. the poor people's march, poverty, number inequality. conversely
there was a direct connect between the civil rights movements of this country and the civil rights movement in south africa. you could not get around the organic interconnection between the two. today you have seen an outpouring of every city in the country. the wrooeths the tributes, the candle lights. he was not someone that was thousands of miles away. he was sane and is sane and will always be sane as really in the spirit of civil rights movement in this country, an infinite part of that....
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donna, donna brazile is here, nelson mandela, the civil rights movement in the united states, what was going on in south africa, you and i are old enough to remember those days, the role and as christiane accurately points out, that all of us played in trying to move south africa in a better direction. you remember those days very vividly. >> well, the apartheid regime was a brutal regime. it was a violent regime. and the goal of folks in america, especially young people, was to educate, was to mobilize and to get more sanctions, to get corporations doing business in south africa to put pressure on the south african government. clearly it worked, because after years and years of struggle, finally in 1990, we broke the apartheid regime but it was a long and brutal struggle. >> here's a picture, take a look at this. >>> give us the background of that photo. >> mr. mandela came to the understand to attend the clinton inaugural. he was very close for the clinton family. in fact the clintons visited the mandelas early this year and last year, and when secretary of state clinton visited sout
donna, donna brazile is here, nelson mandela, the civil rights movement in the united states, what was going on in south africa, you and i are old enough to remember those days, the role and as christiane accurately points out, that all of us played in trying to move south africa in a better direction. you remember those days very vividly. >> well, the apartheid regime was a brutal regime. it was a violent regime. and the goal of folks in america, especially young people, was to educate,...
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king and civil rights movement here, which it's interesting there was a symbiosis between the civil rights movement and south african movement, they took a tremendous amount of inspiration from dr. king in the civil rights movement in the united states, if you think about 196 3, he went to prison in 1964. >> there is no doubt which gets me to the next question from professor ogletree, in terms of the impact that the anti parti movement around the world had and here in the united states had on the end of a paratide, how significant was it? >> it was very significant. remember, anderson, this was during the regan administration and ronald reagan opposed what we were doing and have towed issues to talk about opening up the system in south africa to end the partide. thousands of people got arrested in washington d.c. and i got a group of lawyers together to represent them for nothing. they were released and not charged with an offense. it was a national issue, black, white, male, female, people on the left, right, everybody was involved. the only thing i regret is that there are young people w
king and civil rights movement here, which it's interesting there was a symbiosis between the civil rights movement and south african movement, they took a tremendous amount of inspiration from dr. king in the civil rights movement in the united states, if you think about 196 3, he went to prison in 1964. >> there is no doubt which gets me to the next question from professor ogletree, in terms of the impact that the anti parti movement around the world had and here in the united states...
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. >> the civil rights movement, where people's rights were being violated. in south africa, there was no constitution and there were no rights. so apartheid was really a labor system, a way of controlling black workers to the benefit of the people who owned the mines and the resources of that country. and so the whole system regulated people's lives, almost in every dimension, where they could live, where they could work, and they couldn't violate those rules. they couldn't be in the city after dark. they couldn't, you know, work in certain areas. it was a tightly regulated, really a fascist, to use a word that we don't use much anymore. it's that kind of a white nationalist regime. >> i mean, there were -- and we should just say, there were secret police. during nelson mandela's imprisonment, it was illegal to have a picture of him, right? these are -- >> it's all true, chris. >> it couldn't put it in a newspaper. they couldn't put his face or name in a newspaper. >> a lot of us forget that the united states government and many western governments supported
. >> the civil rights movement, where people's rights were being violated. in south africa, there was no constitution and there were no rights. so apartheid was really a labor system, a way of controlling black workers to the benefit of the people who owned the mines and the resources of that country. and so the whole system regulated people's lives, almost in every dimension, where they could live, where they could work, and they couldn't violate those rules. they couldn't be in the city...
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. >> well, you know, these relationships areim intertwined the civil rights movement and the, movement to free south africa. you know, they're parallel histories. many objective, freedom and equality. many don't know this because they associatete martin luther king primarily wir the civil rights movement, but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61-62, martin luther king spoke and described south african s racism as the worst i the world and he says even denying the blacks of basic right of non-violent protest. of course, everybody is mandela to gandhi and martin luther king, although neither of them was in favor of violence, but nelson mandela went to violence not to take over the country, but to get the white minority regime to listen to the demands of black people, but even as late, early in '64, martin luther king was calling for nelson mandela's release. in 1965, he spoke in london, and called for internal sanctions. he echoed that in the '80s and, of course you know, the free south african movement in which president obama spoke of being a part of as a young student was very m
. >> well, you know, these relationships areim intertwined the civil rights movement and the, movement to free south africa. you know, they're parallel histories. many objective, freedom and equality. many don't know this because they associatete martin luther king primarily wir the civil rights movement, but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61-62, martin luther king spoke and described south african s racism as the worst i the world and he says even denying the blacks of basic...
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civil rights movement. but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61/'62, martin luther king spoke and described south african racism as the worst in the world, and he said even denying blacks the basic right of nonviolent protests. and, of course, you know, everybody's comparing mandela to gandhi and martin luther king, although, you know, neither of them was in favor of violence. but nelson mandela went to violence not to take over the country but to get the white minority regime to listen to the demands of black people. but even early in '64, martin luther king was calling for nelson mandela's release. in 1965, he spoke in london and called for internal sanctions. he echoed that in the '80s. and, of course, as you know, the free south africa movement in which president obama spoke about being a part of as a young student was very much a part of the ultimate number of things that brought an end to apartheid in south africa. i was here in '85. and as you said, it was a gruesome, gruesome period. and i wen
civil rights movement. but when mandela was in prison, he went in '61/'62, martin luther king spoke and described south african racism as the worst in the world, and he said even denying blacks the basic right of nonviolent protests. and, of course, you know, everybody's comparing mandela to gandhi and martin luther king, although, you know, neither of them was in favor of violence. but nelson mandela went to violence not to take over the country but to get the white minority regime to listen...
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he is credited with transforming a country out of apartheid and considered one of the great civil rights leaders. tributes to him are coming in many forms. the white house flag will fly at half-staff through mon. last night they were half-staff at the state capital. here in california in sacramento. california was one of the leaders of the movement and discouraged people from investing in south africa. nelson mandela is trending. a group of pilot whales stranded in the everglades in florida back at sea also trending. lebron james co-starring with kevin hart in a comedy. and tgif, thank god it's friday. and winter storm across the country people are waking up to bitter cold. and you can follow us anytime at #cbssf. >>> cold snow and ice is the weather plaguing the country now from the lone star state to lake erie millions of people are in a deep freeze. as marlie hall reports the weather is brutal and dangerous dangerous. >>> reporter: people are scraping ice off their cars as freezing rain falls across parts of texas. a layer of slush and ice is making the roads dangerous. it's all part
he is credited with transforming a country out of apartheid and considered one of the great civil rights leaders. tributes to him are coming in many forms. the white house flag will fly at half-staff through mon. last night they were half-staff at the state capital. here in california in sacramento. california was one of the leaders of the movement and discouraged people from investing in south africa. nelson mandela is trending. a group of pilot whales stranded in the everglades in florida...
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civil rights movement then he brought it home. as a result now, south africa which still has troubles, still has 30% unemployment, which this rainbow nation doesn't exactly exist the way we like to think it does, is now left in -- with the absence of him to look in the hire current and future leaders realizing nobody quite measures up. partly because the goals were different. the ideals are different. the challenges are different. the economy is still struggling. will never see the likes of nelson mandela again. maybe neither should we. perhaps he was a man of his time. the question i guess now especially for all the young people, they call them born free, born after he was no longer president. he was one term as president which was another smart thing. >> one of the few african leaders who stepped down willingly. very few people in that position say, know what, i'm done. i'll move on to something else. >> schieffer: one of the few leaders, i mean you look where they sometimes have to take them out on a gurney know that their time
civil rights movement then he brought it home. as a result now, south africa which still has troubles, still has 30% unemployment, which this rainbow nation doesn't exactly exist the way we like to think it does, is now left in -- with the absence of him to look in the hire current and future leaders realizing nobody quite measures up. partly because the goals were different. the ideals are different. the challenges are different. the economy is still struggling. will never see the likes of...
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what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid leaders after sharpville, when they decided non-violence was not enough, they have been so committed to nonviolen
what's been the interplay between our civil rights movement and his struggle? >> the commitment, the dedication, the inspiration of this one man meant everything to the american civil rights movement. i remember it as a young student in nashville in 1962 and '63 and '64. we said if nelson mandela can do it, we can do it. we identify with the struggle. and when i met him for the first time, he said to me, john lewis, i noknow all about you. i follow you. you inspire us. i said no, mr....
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mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him were ultimately dropped. mandela used a false identity to evade the government and traveled to europe and other countries in africa to built support for the anc and study guerilla warfare. when he returned to south africa in 1962, mandela was arrested and sentenced to years in prison. during his sentence, the government charmed mandela and other anc leaders with sabotage and attempting to violently overthrow the government. the winner of 1964, mandela and his colleagues were sentenced to in prison. mandela's brutal imprisonment helped win freedom for his nation. he represented hi
mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he joined the african national congress in 1956. mandela was arrested with 155 other political activists and was changed with high treason. the treason trial lasted 4 1/2 years. the charges against him...
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what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of sanctions. it was interesting to me that we couldn't get a lot of middle ground democrats to lead. we got the black caucus but i had to get actually newt gingrich and former secretary -- oh, i'm having a senior moment. >> that's okay. >> two republicans that first came on the list. and then we got this. then it was voted and then it was vetoed and then a movement started but all of the time there was some also movement going in africa, led largely by nigeria and tanzania, putting pressure on the commonwealth. this didn't happen just because nelson mandela became a saint in prison. it happened because of
what happened in this country was our civil rights movement became integrated, he was sentenced in '62. that was just right after the freedom rides. it was just before we went into birmingham. and while we were in birmingham, i think somewhere around there the sharpville killings occurred. and so our movements moved in parallel. i first went with arthur ash in 1974. and when we came back, we came back determined that i was in the congress then. that we were going to start the process of...
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the disabled people of america are fighting hard for our civil rights. nelson mandela has done a lot of work things considered for things like slavery. we have a topic similar. you are not entitled to the minimum wage here in america. we are specifically exempt. we are so inspired by the work of nelson mandela, we try to continue in that legacy. we want to make it so that our people, our disabled people, are no longer trapped in these workshops. host: why the blind exempt from the minimum wage? caller: the fair labor standards act of 1938 specifically exempts us. the idea is that disabled people are supposed to be inherently less productive. we are less than people. there are a lot of explanations. some people think they are doing by employing disabled people at a penny an our. it is exploiting us. whenever go on to real productive life. we are pushing hard to try to get that change. we want to be able to earn minimum wage for our work, or not work at all. disabled people have the the cassidy to be -- have the thatity to make the change nelson mandela ma
the disabled people of america are fighting hard for our civil rights. nelson mandela has done a lot of work things considered for things like slavery. we have a topic similar. you are not entitled to the minimum wage here in america. we are specifically exempt. we are so inspired by the work of nelson mandela, we try to continue in that legacy. we want to make it so that our people, our disabled people, are no longer trapped in these workshops. host: why the blind exempt from the minimum wage?...
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he understood what the civil rights struggle was in this country and he understood what tolerance and justice is for all. his hope to make south africa, which now celebrates next year 20 years of democracy, we are celebrating 50 years to a trend towards greater justice in our own country. he also was willing to sort of look at the individual in his own country and say, you matter, and what you do, really does count for something. and so as a professor, the born free, the so-called new generation of kids coming along that didn't know apartheid, they have to be reimbued with this history of mandela as was said in his obituary. >> people do amazing things butn he really stands apart. >> well, i think it's partly ink about the idea of contingency and history, he stitched together, so many divergent parts of south african culture. he grew up as a shoeless cow herd. he made something of himself as a lawyer. but he traded in that earned privilege to become a person who was denounced as a traitor in the united states and south africa. and as charlay isne told us, came out as a singular vision
he understood what the civil rights struggle was in this country and he understood what tolerance and justice is for all. his hope to make south africa, which now celebrates next year 20 years of democracy, we are celebrating 50 years to a trend towards greater justice in our own country. he also was willing to sort of look at the individual in his own country and say, you matter, and what you do, really does count for something. and so as a professor, the born free, the so-called new...
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i mean, you had in south africa sort of the inverse of what you had in the american civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were need not even a second, a third class citizen, a non-person within a land that they called their anses tral home. and the national african congress and nelson mandela tried to fight this oppression in various ways. sometimes through violent struggle. they would try non-violence. they were met with incredible violence. it was intense and incredible. so what mandela forgave is something that is almost indescribable for many. this is what came after the generation of vietnam. then you had the fight against vietnam. but for a lot of people, particularly in the 1980s, it was this. it was the fight against apartheid in south africa that galvanized a lot of african-americans. >> i asked the last word staff today for a show of hands of how many personally remember apartheid and very few hands went up. i was at your class at colum
i mean, you had in south africa sort of the inverse of what you had in the american civil rights movement. you had a native african population that was seven times larger than the ruling class that essentially turned them and enslaved them in their own country. they were need not even a second, a third class citizen, a non-person within a land that they called their anses tral home. and the national african congress and nelson mandela tried to fight this oppression in various ways. sometimes...
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>>> this morning, the world wakes to the news that a joint of human and civil rights is gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force, reve revered, forever changing history. >> recognize that apartheid has no future. >> he spent nearly three decades in prison, emerging to become the first black president of south africa. a father figure to his people. and to millions around the world. this morning, new reaction from every corner of the world. >> i cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> right now on "america this morning," abc news remembers nelson mandela, a man who changed the world. ♪ >>> and this morning, the world wakes to news of a giant of human and civil rights gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force for millions, revered for forever changing history. >> she spent nearly three decades in prison, becoming the first black president in south africa. father figure to millions around the globe. >> people around the world are remembering nelson mandela, a symbol of forbearance, peace and dignity. we have pictures from south africa, where peo
>>> this morning, the world wakes to the news that a joint of human and civil rights is gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force, reve revered, forever changing history. >> recognize that apartheid has no future. >> he spent nearly three decades in prison, emerging to become the first black president of south africa. a father figure to his people. and to millions around the world. this morning, new reaction from every corner of the world. >> i cannot fully imagine my own...
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certainly in the civil encounters with president mandela in one capacity, and with mr. mandela post-presidency in other capacities, not only was his sense of humor telling, but so was the self-deprecating use to which he put that humour, lest there was any thought that a political halo could be bestowed upon him. he certainly did not want that, and he would not want that to be part of his legacy today. i mention humor because my first introduction to nelson mandela was far from fortuitous. he was then president, and enormous numbers of parliamentarians had somehow all descended on south africa at the same time. they had come from new zealand, australia, here, ireland, france all on fact-finding missions. it was interesting that these fact-finding missions all coincided with the rugby world cup that was taking place in south africa. given that there were more visiting foreign politicians in the country than even visiting foreign rugby players, the president held a great gala reception. the leader of our delegation, my friend rupert redesdale, liberal democrat hereditary
certainly in the civil encounters with president mandela in one capacity, and with mr. mandela post-presidency in other capacities, not only was his sense of humor telling, but so was the self-deprecating use to which he put that humour, lest there was any thought that a political halo could be bestowed upon him. he certainly did not want that, and he would not want that to be part of his legacy today. i mention humor because my first introduction to nelson mandela was far from fortuitous. he...
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i matured in the civil rights movement. later, of course, i get to live through the election of the first african-american president of this country. so, you know, i felt in a sense that i was a bridge between the history of our two countries, which is very much there. i also felt like i was there symbolizing the international community and the importance of america and americans took a stand against apartheid. and said no to our government, when ronald reagan wanted to solidify, you know, our u.s. support for apartheid. we said, no. and we played an important role in that. and that was very critical, as well. >> you did play an important role. it's a privilege to have you here today. >> thank you. >>> we're going to switch gears now. to what some are calling an epidemic of twins. the fertility health for couples that want children. it's also a boom in multiple births. and now, fertility doctors are trying to cut that. >> reporter: the idea that two is better than one or that twins are always twice as nice, maybe notions of
i matured in the civil rights movement. later, of course, i get to live through the election of the first african-american president of this country. so, you know, i felt in a sense that i was a bridge between the history of our two countries, which is very much there. i also felt like i was there symbolizing the international community and the importance of america and americans took a stand against apartheid. and said no to our government, when ronald reagan wanted to solidify, you know, our...
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. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1964? >> i like the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and i'm all in favor of that. >> but? [ laughter ] >> you had to ask me the but. i don't like the idea of telling private business owners. i abhor racism, i think it's a bad business decision to exclude anyone from your restaurant, but i believe in private ownership. >> rand paul followed up with this cringe-inducing interview -- >> do you think a private business has a right to say we don't serve black people? >> yeah, i'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form, but i think what's important about this debate is not getting into any specific gotcha on this, but asking the question, what about freedom of speech? should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent? should we limit racists from speaking? i don't want to be associated with those people, but i also don't want to limit their speech in any way. >> yes, it appears the gop has chosen that rand paul as the party's ambassador
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a man who became a towering symbol for civil rights for strength, for unity.
a man who became a towering symbol for civil rights for strength, for unity.
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he never saw himself -- i think particularly in america, so much of the american civil rights movement was reminding african-americans and still is, reminding young children of color, you are equal, you do deserve the exact same things. i think that made a huge difference. >> i think part of that was if you understand he was born in royalty. he was born to a certain manner. his self-concept, he that naturally and he never lost it. because he didn't have that insecurity, he didn't need all that to become a leader. his vanity never outran his sanity. >> talking about the legacy of nelson mandela, we're talking about how those qualities of grace, dignity, humility have been inherited or visited on later generations. i want to play an excerpt from your interview with the president last night where he himself takes a remarkably humble posture as far as being commander in chief, president of the united states. lets take a listen to that. >> the interesting thing about now having been president for five years. it makes you humbler as opposed to cockier as to what you as an individual can do.
he never saw himself -- i think particularly in america, so much of the american civil rights movement was reminding african-americans and still is, reminding young children of color, you are equal, you do deserve the exact same things. i think that made a huge difference. >> i think part of that was if you understand he was born in royalty. he was born to a certain manner. his self-concept, he that naturally and he never lost it. because he didn't have that insecurity, he didn't need all...
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rights in the united states and around the world. and nelson mandela told cnn veteran bernie shaw how he wanted to be remembered after his death. bernie is here. we'll bring you some of that very emotional interview just before nelson mandela was sworn in as president. >> i, nelson mandela, do hereby swear to be faithful to the republic of south africa and do solemnly and sincerely promise at all times to promote that which will advance and to oppose all that may harm the republic. i don't just make things for a living i take pride in them. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis was also on display, i'd had it. i finally had a serious talk with my dermatologist. this time, he prescribed humira-adalimumab. humira helps to clear the surface of my skin by actually working inside my body. in clinical trials, most adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tubercu
rights in the united states and around the world. and nelson mandela told cnn veteran bernie shaw how he wanted to be remembered after his death. bernie is here. we'll bring you some of that very emotional interview just before nelson mandela was sworn in as president. >> i, nelson mandela, do hereby swear to be faithful to the republic of south africa and do solemnly and sincerely promise at all times to promote that which will advance and to oppose all that may harm the republic. i...
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a memorial service for the civil rights icon and former south african president begins as we've been saying in less than an hour. just a little over 30 minutes. prime ministers, presidents, celebrities and thousands of south africans are gathering right now. >> u.s. president barack obama landed in johannesburg a short time ago along with his wife michelle and a delegation that includes his predecessor george w. bush. >> who is stepping off right behind president obama there and prime minister david cameron arriving there in south africa to attend observances and former south african president f.w. de klerk is there. he shared the nobel peace prize with mandela in 1993. >> okay. mandela spent 27 punishing years behind bars for his struggle against apartheid. but when he was finally released from prison he strove for forgiveness and unity. >> from mandela's close associate to admirers who stood in long lines to shake his hand, many people carry very special memories of him. >> we'd like to bring you now some mandela remembrances from people who gathered to pay him tribute outside lond
a memorial service for the civil rights icon and former south african president begins as we've been saying in less than an hour. just a little over 30 minutes. prime ministers, presidents, celebrities and thousands of south africans are gathering right now. >> u.s. president barack obama landed in johannesburg a short time ago along with his wife michelle and a delegation that includes his predecessor george w. bush. >> who is stepping off right behind president obama there and...
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he initially chosen strategy of civil disobedience. then came the shell bill massacre in nineteen sixty. when sixty nine to protest this with you domestic dispute i'll still be sent home by the us with the government has been the response was savage attacks. i am. nineteen sixty three cm and was arrested and sentenced to life in prison it wasn't until the eleventh if the pre nineteen ninety that he was finally released the announcement came up to twenty seven years of languishing in iraq but by the priest. go read it to the last president of apartheid era south africa said the government has likened of indecision duties was to monday on condition that was the model of mr nelson and emma. a free man taking his first steps. in two and use of every reception committee trying to get the people. it's a new phone as the nelson mandela is rife with me. delaware awarded the nobel peace prize in nineteen ninety three. oh well the r in nineteen ninety four and downer was sworn in as president after the country's first multi racial elections the
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people all over the world realise civil and political rights, madiba's job will be incomplete. it's up to us. >> you mentioned mahatma gandhi. if we go through a list of speakers. this is what nelson mandela told thabo mbeke. we have namibia, india, china, and some of the speakers there - what do you make of his choice, what do you think his message is by choosing the countries. there has been, between the south african freedom fight and the anticolonial fights in other countries, particularly in many of those that you mentioned now, a sense of solidarity of brotherhood, of fraternal feeling, as it were, that they are all fighting the good fight, a fight for the freedom of their fellow human being, as i said earlier. that is the message - that in the global self, there have been gross injustices. there has been some pretty amazing leaders, nelson mandela himself, of course being at the forefront. there's a mantle to carry on, that he expects his brothers in those countries to continue that fight. in the last hour or so we saw the u.n.'s ban ki-moon arriving. castro - this will
people all over the world realise civil and political rights, madiba's job will be incomplete. it's up to us. >> you mentioned mahatma gandhi. if we go through a list of speakers. this is what nelson mandela told thabo mbeke. we have namibia, india, china, and some of the speakers there - what do you make of his choice, what do you think his message is by choosing the countries. there has been, between the south african freedom fight and the anticolonial fights in other countries,...
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that 2010 comment about civil rights and sort of the howard debacle, i mean, those kinds of things in this environment for someone like rand paul to still emerge as the voice to talk about african-american engagement shows you exactly where the republican party is right now. >> that's what's so remarkable! i genuinely think it is the case -- and obviously, there is an african-american senator, republican scott of south carolina, who is the one african-american member of the united states senate and of all congress, if i'm not mistaken. you know, he, presumably, would also be a key messenger in this respect. but it is true that rand paul, for all his history, actually is the best spokesperson on this. and my question to you is, does it read as a good-faith engagement or does it read as a stunt? because i basically go back and forth. >> well, i mean, i'm reading it more as more of a stunt. i mean, because the policies have got to change. >> right. >> again, mass incarceration, a really important issue, but you know, rand paul's trying to sell economic freedom zones in detroit, which you
that 2010 comment about civil rights and sort of the howard debacle, i mean, those kinds of things in this environment for someone like rand paul to still emerge as the voice to talk about african-american engagement shows you exactly where the republican party is right now. >> that's what's so remarkable! i genuinely think it is the case -- and obviously, there is an african-american senator, republican scott of south carolina, who is the one african-american member of the united states...
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rights around the world. fellow south africans, you know, nelson mandela brought them together as well. he had been in and out of the hospital for months. in june, he was admitted to a facility for a lung infection. we'll be here all evening long. people are coming here. in fact, a man, moments ago, dropped off flowers here. he just stood. he didn't say anything. he stood, looked at the statue and calmly walked away. live here on massachusetts avenue, outside the south african embassy, i'm shomari stone, news 4. >> thank you. >> we heard the little girl mention his family. he is survived by a wife, three of his children and a couple dozen grandchildren and great grandchildren. >> they were by his bedside late this afternoon. >> we have been seeing the live pictures of nelson mandela's statue this evening. tom sherwood was there when the statue was unveiled this past september. it's a shame to see the fence and the barbed wire. >> i hope it will move some of the reconstruction, the embassy is being rebuilt. if
rights around the world. fellow south africans, you know, nelson mandela brought them together as well. he had been in and out of the hospital for months. in june, he was admitted to a facility for a lung infection. we'll be here all evening long. people are coming here. in fact, a man, moments ago, dropped off flowers here. he just stood. he didn't say anything. he stood, looked at the statue and calmly walked away. live here on massachusetts avenue, outside the south african embassy, i'm...
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owners. >> unique in the history of civilization. >> reporter: no country had ever done that before. >> they supervised the return of 5 million, 5 million stolen objects to the countries from which these things were taken. >> reporter: paintings were returned to museums. >> there it is. >> reporter: works you can see today. >> parc monceau. this claude monet painting is one at the new york metropolitan museum of art along with this van goyen landscape and soap bubbles. hitler wants this one. >> he wants the best of the best of the things he decides are the best. >> reporter: the nazis not only stole from museums but also from thousands of families. to recover the possessions including the artwork of families just like yours must have really connected with you? >> absolutely. i ended up being able to come along and recover my grandfather's collection of 3,000 prints, some of them are hanging in my apartment right now. >> reporter: this was rye of works stolen by the nazis have still never been f like rafael's portrait of a young man. >> i think the treasure hunt's really just beginnin
owners. >> unique in the history of civilization. >> reporter: no country had ever done that before. >> they supervised the return of 5 million, 5 million stolen objects to the countries from which these things were taken. >> reporter: paintings were returned to museums. >> there it is. >> reporter: works you can see today. >> parc monceau. this claude monet painting is one at the new york metropolitan museum of art along with this van goyen landscape...
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the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national television. >> tonight why i'm reaching out to every single south african, black and white, now is the time for all south africans to stand together. >> only he could control the country in a crisis. and effectively, he was president from then on. de klerk was eclipsed. >> reporter: negotiations proceed, building towards a momentous event. >> the first time they were called for dignity was on the 7th of april, 1994. >> reporter: for the first time in its almost 400-year history, south africans from all races will be allowed to vote. >> april 27th arrived with a huge question mark, whether the elections will be held i
the country was potentially on the brink of civil war. >> reporter: the violence peaks on easter sunday 1993 when a high-ranking anc member is shot outside his home by a white right-wing polish immigrant. >> there was uproar in the country. riots. >> reporter: the country finds itself in a moment of crisis. de klerk and the government are unable to keep the peace. there was only one man who could pull the nation back from the abyss. mandela addresses the country on national...
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. ♪ >>> this morning, the world wakes to the news that a joint of human and civil rights is gone. nelson mandela, a guiding force, reve revered, forever changing history. >> recognize that apartheid has no future. >> he spent nearly three decades in prison, emerging to become the first black president of south africa. a father figure to his people. and to millions around the world. this morning, new reaction from every corner of the world. >> i cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> right now on "america this morning," abc news remembers
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"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front page today. >> i think it's the beginning to get the major retailers to acknowledge there's a problem. we have a long way to go and they still have to deal with these cases. but the acknowledgment of it i think is a good start and we intend to monitor and keep moving forward. >> i like it. thank you for your work on that. "the new york times," nsa documents leaked by edward snowden reveal american and british spy agencies sent undercover agents into the world of online gaming. they believe terrorists could use fantasy games like world of war craft to secretly communicate and plot attacks. spies would create f
"new york daily news," a coalition of high-end retailers and civil rights leaders agreed on a bill of rights to protect customers from so-called shop and frisk practices. the agreement comes six weeks after a series of racial profiling allegations from black shopper who is say they were targeted for buying expensive luxury items. executives from barney's, macy's, saks, bergdorf goodman and lord & taylor signed onto the deal. reverend al, you were part of it. you were on the front...
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my next guest has personal connections to the civil rights icon. he was an anti-apartheid activist and every week for almost 30 years he went behind the prison walls to visit the man who would become south africa's first black president. cedric, thanks for joining us. share with our viewers some of the memories that you have, memories of your cousin, the support you gave him during the decades that he spent behind bars. >> well, thank you, wolf. i followed madiba, nelson mandela's life from the early '60s when i was a student at the university. and actually, i want to turn first to another relative, my uncle, harold hanson was a prominent trial lawyer in south africa and part of mandela's team at the trial of the -- the trials. and he actually gave the plea bargain to mitigate sentence. and then mandela's book, "long walk to freedom," he talks about how harold hanson actually got him to change his final statement, which is now so iconic, to tone it down perhaps. and he reminded the judge, hanson did, that the africans had their own violent struggle
my next guest has personal connections to the civil rights icon. he was an anti-apartheid activist and every week for almost 30 years he went behind the prison walls to visit the man who would become south africa's first black president. cedric, thanks for joining us. share with our viewers some of the memories that you have, memories of your cousin, the support you gave him during the decades that he spent behind bars. >> well, thank you, wolf. i followed madiba, nelson mandela's life...
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so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who inspired gandhi who inspired mandela. it's remarkable to see this thread of liberty that really comes full circle in the life of mandela and how he relates to barack obama. >> joshua, what if anything do we know about nelson mandela's faith? was he a spiritual man? >> he was a spiritual man. he was a christian. and that was sort of a motivating part of his life. and there's been a fair amount written on that, especially over the last few days. but i think he really saw his faith as a motivating force for his work in the public square, not just as something he keeps inside his own soul but something that
so without that 1965 voting rights act, which is a direct product of the civil rights movement, mr. obama's presidency does not exist. they're bound together by that same issue and the activism that was required in order to make -- >> that's a good point. >> in addition to the comparisons between the two of them, which is important, i think the other remarkable thing is the thread of liberty that connects them across space and time. the abolitionist improvement inspired thorough who...
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and you wanted to take issue with this idea of a civil war, right, in your mind, proud south african, black south african, there was a moment when you are here to raise your hand and say there was a civil war in our country, explain that. >> well, i mean, when you think of the amount of blood that was shed for our freedom, then one redefines what civil war is. it was never declared a civil war but there was a fight with the ordinary person the street and the government, with the government using war equipment, those huge machinery they would drive with into the black township, run over houses, flatten houses, shoot at people and unleash violence against people. i was a student at the university and they would come and vicious dogs in the hold they were holding. >> you saw this. >> i saw it, i witnessed it. >> you were there. >> i have scars of it from all those and there was civil war in south africa and i smelled tear gas and if there was though war why would you smell tear gas, i smelled tear gas and we lost people and people were locked up and people locked the country and i had nu
and you wanted to take issue with this idea of a civil war, right, in your mind, proud south african, black south african, there was a moment when you are here to raise your hand and say there was a civil war in our country, explain that. >> well, i mean, when you think of the amount of blood that was shed for our freedom, then one redefines what civil war is. it was never declared a civil war but there was a fight with the ordinary person the street and the government, with the...
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when you talk about civil rights icons, the conversation ultimately turns to dr. martin luther king jr. well, dr. king never met nelson mandela. he did keep close tabs on the fight for equality in south africa. martin luther king iii said his constant fight for equality personified what me and my father often said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." martin luther king iii joining me now. i'm quoting your dad. this is bringing so many people of all walks to reflect ton a giant man's life and the market that he left. >> yes, it is. he personified more than anything else and taught us the power of forgiveness. love and forgiveness was the essence of nelson mandela. dignity. dignified presence. i remember, for example, on one occasion there were a number of us in atlanta at the king cen r center, and this was the second visit to atlanta, and maybe a few thousand people outside. as he came outside, everyone was trying to get his attention. he went directly to a young kid, about 5 or 6 years old, because he understood the future is as it relates to
when you talk about civil rights icons, the conversation ultimately turns to dr. martin luther king jr. well, dr. king never met nelson mandela. he did keep close tabs on the fight for equality in south africa. martin luther king iii said his constant fight for equality personified what me and my father often said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." martin luther king iii joining me now. i'm quoting your dad. this is bringing so many people of all walks to reflect...
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and for our president to be so moved by mandela, to really have his own place in the civil rights struggle against apartheid i think makes it very meaningful. his presence will be significant. >> when it comes to president obama's presence on the international stage, we know he's talking about this potential for comprehensive agreement with iran yesterday. he said it's 50/50 or, frankly, it could be worse. his approval numbers very low here. when it comes to the international stage, how is his capital right now? >> i don't think it's exceedingly high. i think a lot of america's allies, particularly in the middle east from israel to some of the gulf countries think america has lost its nerve in some regard, particularly when it comes to confronting iran. so i think there is some difficulty with ourbili because our economic standing has some impact as well. it doesn't diminish america's overall power in the world and america's real influence in the world. that is still very, very strong, even if some people have doubts about president obama. >> how much of a focus is there for president obam
and for our president to be so moved by mandela, to really have his own place in the civil rights struggle against apartheid i think makes it very meaningful. his presence will be significant. >> when it comes to president obama's presence on the international stage, we know he's talking about this potential for comprehensive agreement with iran yesterday. he said it's 50/50 or, frankly, it could be worse. his approval numbers very low here. when it comes to the international stage, how...
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the charges include allegations that employees of the department deprived jail prisoners of civil rights, also obstruction of justice allegations. apparent attempts to cover up the truth after it became clear that cases were under investigation. some of the most outlandish alleged behavior started after it became known that an informant in the jail was working with the fbi. the u.s. attorney's office said employees of the sheriff's department went so far as to try to get a judge to release names of everybody involved in the investigation and when that didn't work, allegedly tried to put the squeeze on an fbi agent. >> despite a judge's refusal to issue this order because he had no jurisdiction over the federal agency, two los angeles county sheriff's deputies, sergeants, allegedly confronted an fbi special agent outside her residence in an attempt to intimidate her into providing details about the investigation. >> reporter: now, in the past, sheriff lee bacca has said it was the fbi who was breaking the law and said there was really no attempt to intimidate the fbi agent. it doesn't rea
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this could become, and gloria's dead right, this could now become the latest exhibit, if you will, in what is a philosophical civil war. >> and brianna keilar, if it does pass the house, the senate then has to sign it into law. are you getting any reaction yet from white house officials to this dole? >> we don't have any reaction from the white house yet at this point. i think they're waiting for the formal announcement of exactly what is in the deal and what is not in the deal. but i do think that president obama and white house officials are going to feel that this reenforces the strategy that he took during that battle with the government shutdown. that he wasn't going to give when it came to funding for the government or when it came to the debt ceiling. he wasn't going to give on obama care. he was in a little bit, you could argue, sort of intransjents. he said no, i'm not negotiating on this. and once this was all said and done in october, he said that he didn't think there was going to be another fight. so if that is the case, i think they're going to see that as justifying his
this could become, and gloria's dead right, this could now become the latest exhibit, if you will, in what is a philosophical civil war. >> and brianna keilar, if it does pass the house, the senate then has to sign it into law. are you getting any reaction yet from white house officials to this dole? >> we don't have any reaction from the white house yet at this point. i think they're waiting for the formal announcement of exactly what is in the deal and what is not in the deal. but...
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i wasn't really -- i was aware of the civil rights movement but didn't feel a part of it. when i became a young adult, when i went to college, that's when i became aware of what's going on in south africa and what was going on over there. but he always seems like this mythic kind of figure, almost like a symbol, not real. and i remember the day i was a young reporter working at the journal and he was released from prison and it seemed surreal. and it struck me. this has happened during my lifetime. all of these events in south africa took place in my lifetime. and gave me a more accurate picture of the world. >> is this the best example of where sanctions worked? >> well, sanctions made a difference, and they were morally the right thing to do, i believe. but even in south africa, sanctions didn't rescue south africa. south africa rescued south africa. and, you know, the ungovernability in the townships, i think, convinced the white government that the genie was out of the bottle and, actually, the collapse of communism. gotten a lot of support including from united states
i wasn't really -- i was aware of the civil rights movement but didn't feel a part of it. when i became a young adult, when i went to college, that's when i became aware of what's going on in south africa and what was going on over there. but he always seems like this mythic kind of figure, almost like a symbol, not real. and i remember the day i was a young reporter working at the journal and he was released from prison and it seemed surreal. and it struck me. this has happened during my...
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fascinated by the american civil rights movement. martha: i think that is such an important point that you make about him and he was, he was sort of regal. he had a very regal bearing and yet he was humble which is such a great combination. >> awesome. i was remembering that when he came to the 50th anniversary of the united nations opening in new york, all the world leaders were around obviously and yet somehow mandela stood out as a leader among leaders because they all flocked to him. they all wanted photos with him shaking hands. i got to go over, i was like, it was unbelievable that the world leaders were almost like, tell us your secret. how did you do this? martha: yeah. and think one of the secrets was that he put everything before himself and that he was such a strong man and who was able to be, you know, in the face of that moment, was able to bring people together, much the way abraham lincoln did during the civil war period in the united states, to wrench the two sides back together for belief in a greater nation. >> wow,
fascinated by the american civil rights movement. martha: i think that is such an important point that you make about him and he was, he was sort of regal. he had a very regal bearing and yet he was humble which is such a great combination. >> awesome. i was remembering that when he came to the 50th anniversary of the united nations opening in new york, all the world leaders were around obviously and yet somehow mandela stood out as a leader among leaders because they all flocked to him....
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so i don't see it as a civil war. i see it as -- i see it as what happens when a party is out of power, and there isn't one unifying voice. if i ask you guys right now, you are knitting over there, who is the leader of the republican party today? [inaudible] >> he's my friend. i would tell him he got one person in new hampshire. [inaudible] >> who do you think is the leader of the party? >> it isn't jon boehner. he has no control over the pulpit or even in the senate look at ted cruz. ted cruz wouldn't say mitch mcconnell is the leader by any means. i think it's just so loose and -- i would like to process a chris christie. >> that's the point. if i went around the sherman act and as everybody who the leader of the republican party is, either we get no answers or 40 different answers. so when you don't have somebody that sets the standard, sets the tone, this happened. people start talking. you start sounding a little dysfunctional like you're suffering from multiple -- multiple personality disorder. that is happening
so i don't see it as a civil war. i see it as -- i see it as what happens when a party is out of power, and there isn't one unifying voice. if i ask you guys right now, you are knitting over there, who is the leader of the republican party today? [inaudible] >> he's my friend. i would tell him he got one person in new hampshire. [inaudible] >> who do you think is the leader of the party? >> it isn't jon boehner. he has no control over the pulpit or even in the senate look at...